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		<title>Comment on Truly, there is a God who will be known. by Nancy Pearcey&#8217;s Total Truth: A Totally Good Read &#124; Sapphire Sky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy Pearcey&#8217;s Total Truth: A Totally Good Read &#124; Sapphire Sky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 18:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] months ago, I wrote a blog piece about truth - Truly, there is a God who will be known. In it I pondered how inconsequential and incompatible the concept of truth should be in the [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] months ago, I wrote a blog piece about truth - Truly, there is a God who will be known. In it I pondered how inconsequential and incompatible the concept of truth should be in the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses Surprises by Anthony Biller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Biller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 01:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read the post.  They&#039;re not on the &quot;same&quot; level.  Murder is weighted x20.  Also, the graph doesn&#039;t disclose the difference between &quot;hot&quot; versus &quot;cold&quot; burglary.  Hot burglaries (residents present) are the exception in the USA, but prevalent in gun control countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the post.  They&#8217;re not on the &#8220;same&#8221; level.  Murder is weighted x20.  Also, the graph doesn&#8217;t disclose the difference between &#8220;hot&#8221; versus &#8220;cold&#8221; burglary.  Hot burglaries (residents present) are the exception in the USA, but prevalent in gun control countries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses Surprises by Me</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Putting a murder in the same level than a roberry, it&#039;s just insane]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting a murder in the same level than a roberry, it&#8217;s just insane</p>
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		<title>Comment on That&#8217;s My King! by Deloras</title>
		<link>http://sapphiresky.org/2010/04/02/thats-my-king/#comment-2569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deloras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 05:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly the 3rd blog, of urs I checked out.</p>
<p>Still I personally like this specific 1, Window Shades “Thats My King!<br />
| Sapphire Sky” the very best. Cya ,Sandy</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Legend of Valentine by Anthony Biller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Biller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://sapphiresky.org/2013/02/14/3132/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sapphire Sky&lt;/a&gt; and commented: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happy Valentines Day!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://sapphiresky.org/2013/02/14/3132/" rel="nofollow">Sapphire Sky</a> and commented: </p>
<p>Happy Valentines Day!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truly, there is a God who will be known. by Anthony Biller</title>
		<link>http://sapphiresky.org/2013/02/01/truly-there-is-a-god-who-will-be-known/#comment-2511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Biller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce – but is what you wrote true?!

First, one would not know from your “review” the point of my post, which you do not mention.  The point being made was that there is not a persuasive explanation for transcendent values such as truth, hope, faith and love in a purely mechanical reality, the atheist’s paradigm. (This issue is more often made with regard to the “universal” display of logic imbedded throughout reality, to which I obliquely referred in the post.)  My post focused primarily on the transcendent concept of truth.

Instead of tackling that issue, you attack a straw man; leading readers to suppose that I claim atheists should not care about truth.  That’s not a fair reading of what I wrote.  As an aside to the main point, I commented how curious it is that atheists care what Christians hold to be true about God.  I did not state that atheists should have no concern regarding empirical truths, to which you ultimately make arguments, specifically about global warming.  

Second, you argue that atheists ought to care at least to some extent about what Christians think (or teach others to think) because, according to you, Christians get distracted from more immediate issues like global warming, etc. By focusing on eternity, Christians give short shrift to temporal matters, again according to you.  Of course, that argument while a bit of a non sequitur could be equally applied against atheists, like say former pastors who spend their limited time focusing on what Christians think and do instead of say, measuring carbon emissions from volcanoes or studying sun spots.  Regardless, I’m not aware of any credible data that Christians as opposed to others are less prone to engage and form opinions regarding current issues, to include global warming or most other popular issues.  

More importantly, your argument appears to be a pragmatic one – that Christians are somehow less productive citizens because of their focus on eternity.  On pragmatic considerations, atheists have even less reason to argue the “truth” of Christianity.  Studies repeatedly disclose that Christians rate above average when it comes to positive social pathologies – economic productivity, life expectancy, crime, psychological health, etc.  This underscores my point that atheists should not care (indeed may even encourage) whether their fellow citizens profess faith in Jesus Christ and strive to live like him.  No, it seems to me that something other than pragmatics about global warming, etc. fuels the atheist’s vigor against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Something deeper.

Third, you take issue with Pascal’s Wager and claim your link explains why one should never ever etc. use it.  The supposed refutation given at the link is that Pascal’s Wager does not prove the existence of God.  After your breathless prelude to the link, that proved entirely underwhelming. PW is not a proof theorem for the existence of God; it’s a consequential logical argument for faith. Subtle difference, perhaps, but material distinction.  The error in your criticism can be understood perhaps more easily when applied to another context.

Suppose you were hungry and I offered you a closed box with the promise it contained food.  All you had to do was take the box from me and open it; the food inside would be yours.  Logical dictates that you ought to take the box and open it.  The consequence you do is that you will either be fed or you will remain in the same condition.  The logic in favor of taking and opening the box does not prove there is food in the box; it just suggests it is foolish to refuse the offer.  Pascal’s wager. 

PW contains another inherent dilemma for atheists – why would a purely mechanical reality create a logical consequential argument that points only towards faith in God?  Like so many other areas of our reality, there’s no material explanation, however, this logical bias makes perfect sense and there is no dilemma if God exists and created logic (and of course, he created the consequence of eternal life).

There are other inaccuracies and assertions with which I take issue in your post, however, I approach my page limit … 

As an aside, it appears our ships started from opposite ports and have passed.  I started life as an atheist, then Roman Catholic to nihilism to Buddhism and eventually to intellectual Christianity. As I approached thirty, and after several years of “believing” the Bible, Christ opened my eyes to whom he is (and to whom I’m not) and “saved” me.  That made all the difference.

Oh yeah, having grown up near Lake Michigan, I like your banner photo.  Truly … Tony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce – but is what you wrote true?!</p>
<p>First, one would not know from your “review” the point of my post, which you do not mention.  The point being made was that there is not a persuasive explanation for transcendent values such as truth, hope, faith and love in a purely mechanical reality, the atheist’s paradigm. (This issue is more often made with regard to the “universal” display of logic imbedded throughout reality, to which I obliquely referred in the post.)  My post focused primarily on the transcendent concept of truth.</p>
<p>Instead of tackling that issue, you attack a straw man; leading readers to suppose that I claim atheists should not care about truth.  That’s not a fair reading of what I wrote.  As an aside to the main point, I commented how curious it is that atheists care what Christians hold to be true about God.  I did not state that atheists should have no concern regarding empirical truths, to which you ultimately make arguments, specifically about global warming.  </p>
<p>Second, you argue that atheists ought to care at least to some extent about what Christians think (or teach others to think) because, according to you, Christians get distracted from more immediate issues like global warming, etc. By focusing on eternity, Christians give short shrift to temporal matters, again according to you.  Of course, that argument while a bit of a non sequitur could be equally applied against atheists, like say former pastors who spend their limited time focusing on what Christians think and do instead of say, measuring carbon emissions from volcanoes or studying sun spots.  Regardless, I’m not aware of any credible data that Christians as opposed to others are less prone to engage and form opinions regarding current issues, to include global warming or most other popular issues.  </p>
<p>More importantly, your argument appears to be a pragmatic one – that Christians are somehow less productive citizens because of their focus on eternity.  On pragmatic considerations, atheists have even less reason to argue the “truth” of Christianity.  Studies repeatedly disclose that Christians rate above average when it comes to positive social pathologies – economic productivity, life expectancy, crime, psychological health, etc.  This underscores my point that atheists should not care (indeed may even encourage) whether their fellow citizens profess faith in Jesus Christ and strive to live like him.  No, it seems to me that something other than pragmatics about global warming, etc. fuels the atheist’s vigor against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Something deeper.</p>
<p>Third, you take issue with Pascal’s Wager and claim your link explains why one should never ever etc. use it.  The supposed refutation given at the link is that Pascal’s Wager does not prove the existence of God.  After your breathless prelude to the link, that proved entirely underwhelming. PW is not a proof theorem for the existence of God; it’s a consequential logical argument for faith. Subtle difference, perhaps, but material distinction.  The error in your criticism can be understood perhaps more easily when applied to another context.</p>
<p>Suppose you were hungry and I offered you a closed box with the promise it contained food.  All you had to do was take the box from me and open it; the food inside would be yours.  Logical dictates that you ought to take the box and open it.  The consequence you do is that you will either be fed or you will remain in the same condition.  The logic in favor of taking and opening the box does not prove there is food in the box; it just suggests it is foolish to refuse the offer.  Pascal’s wager. </p>
<p>PW contains another inherent dilemma for atheists – why would a purely mechanical reality create a logical consequential argument that points only towards faith in God?  Like so many other areas of our reality, there’s no material explanation, however, this logical bias makes perfect sense and there is no dilemma if God exists and created logic (and of course, he created the consequence of eternal life).</p>
<p>There are other inaccuracies and assertions with which I take issue in your post, however, I approach my page limit … </p>
<p>As an aside, it appears our ships started from opposite ports and have passed.  I started life as an atheist, then Roman Catholic to nihilism to Buddhism and eventually to intellectual Christianity. As I approached thirty, and after several years of “believing” the Bible, Christ opened my eyes to whom he is (and to whom I’m not) and “saved” me.  That made all the difference.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, having grown up near Lake Michigan, I like your banner photo.  Truly … Tony</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truly, there is a God who will be known. by A Reminder of Why I Don't Use the Word Truth - The Way Forward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Reminder of Why I Don't Use the Word Truth - The Way Forward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce Gerencser an atheist apologist who proudly testifies that he was a Christian pastor for decades, began suffering the effects of fibromyalgia in 2007 and &quot;departed the Christian faith&quot; in 2008 - comments on this post at The Way Forward: [...] As I was perusing Ken Ham’s Facebook page today, I came across a blog post written by Answers in Genesis board member, Anthony Biller. Biller wrote: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Gerencser an atheist apologist who proudly testifies that he was a Christian pastor for decades, began suffering the effects of fibromyalgia in 2007 and &#8220;departed the Christian faith&#8221; in 2008 &#8211; comments on this post at The Way Forward: [...] As I was perusing Ken Ham’s Facebook page today, I came across a blog post written by Answers in Genesis board member, Anthony Biller. Biller wrote: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truly, there is a God who will be known. by piouseye</title>
		<link>http://sapphiresky.org/2013/02/01/truly-there-is-a-god-who-will-be-known/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[piouseye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;I&#039;ve long found it ironic how militant atheists claim to be so passionate about what they claim to be true.  Why should they care?  If they&#039;re correct and someone believes a falsehood, there&#039;s no ultimate consequence because there are no ultimate consequences....&quot; Quite! The patent inconsistency is compounded by the probability that false beliefs sometimes (or often) increase an individual&#039;s chances of surviving and reproducing. From the evolutionary perspective of atheists, there seems no good reason to prefer truth over falsity in such cases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;I&#8217;ve long found it ironic how militant atheists claim to be so passionate about what they claim to be true.  Why should they care?  If they&#8217;re correct and someone believes a falsehood, there&#8217;s no ultimate consequence because there are no ultimate consequences&#8230;.&#8221; Quite! The patent inconsistency is compounded by the probability that false beliefs sometimes (or often) increase an individual&#8217;s chances of surviving and reproducing. From the evolutionary perspective of atheists, there seems no good reason to prefer truth over falsity in such cases.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses Surprises by Anthony Biller</title>
		<link>http://sapphiresky.org/2013/01/16/correlating-gun-control-laws-worldwide-and-crime-discloses-surprises/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Biller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philipines has a GFR of 6.8 with a murder rate of 5.4 in 2009, rape 6.3, robbery 49.3, but no data for assaults or burglary.  China with a GFR of .5 reports a murder rate of 1.0, with no other crime data available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philipines has a GFR of 6.8 with a murder rate of 5.4 in 2009, rape 6.3, robbery 49.3, but no data for assaults or burglary.  China with a GFR of .5 reports a murder rate of 1.0, with no other crime data available.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses Surprises by Rich Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://sapphiresky.org/2013/01/16/correlating-gun-control-laws-worldwide-and-crime-discloses-surprises/#comment-2462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Baldwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add the Philippines to your list.  Where is China?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add the Philippines to your list.  Where is China?</p>
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